Trophy Eligibility

[solo2_z06]

Not sure if this is where you want this information, but here goes.

I noticed the question raised on the agenda for the February meeting for award eligibilty regarding points and attendance. The 50% + 1 rule was always the priority regardless of points. First in points but less then the minimum attendance meant no trophy. The same would apply for any subsequent positions.

Respectfully,

[fastFijian]

thanks, how u been? any additions to your collection?
Sanjay

[Mikey]

cool deal. good to know.

[fastFijian]

thanks, how u been? any additions to your collection?
Sanjay

i konw u collected trophies, i meant any new additions to yor car collection.
there is a 56 mercedes for sale up you way.

[JFine]

So Gary you are saying that the higher position does not get an award, so does the next highest competitor move into that position?
I am just trying to get your opinion since you are responding on here which I assume to mean you will not be attending the meeting.

[dbratten]

When I read the agenda my thought was that, in this case, the first place trophy would not be awarded due to that person not completing the required number of events. But, the second place trophy would be presented to the person finishing second as they ran enough events and that was the place they earned.

The 50%+1 rule only says that it relates to trophies -- not to ones finishing position which to me means you can't advance your placement in class without beating other drivers on the track.

[solo2_z06]

No, I can not make the meeting, sorry.

To clarify, First place goes to the entrant who has completed 50% + 1 events and has the highest point total among those who have qualified by entry numbers. Second place goes to the second highest point total who has completd 50% + 1 events and so forth. Position is awarded regardless of there being a trophy given. Only entrants who have completed the 50%+1 are considered for position or trophy.

[JFine]

As stated we will discuss this at the meeting and Dan is correct about what the current 4th draft of By Laws state, but I want to make sure we uphold past tradition of points and attendance.
Personally I agree with Gary that Attendance comes first since people who come more often support the club, so again personally I think attendance should come first and points second.
We will put this to discussion at the meeting this Monday so please come and voice your opinion.

[dbratten]

In that case, then, the first-place winner is ...? :confused:

And ... 2nd, 3rd, & 4th? Or is it a four-way tie for 1st?

http://www.cs.csustan.edu/~dbratten/C6/Trophy.png

[solo2_z06]

Dan,
In the unlikely occurance of your scenario, no award would be presented.
As Josh alluded, the attendance issue was to acknowledge those who best supported the club. Without the attendance consideration, it would also be possible for someone to run once in a class that was not subscribed by any other entrant and receive a first place award.

[dbratten]

Dan,
In the unlikely occurance of your scenario, no award would be presented.
As Josh alluded, the attendance issue was to acknowledge those who best supported the club. Without the attendance consideration, it would also be possible for someone to run once in a class that was not subscribed by any other entrant and receive a first place award.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting dropping the attendance requirement (50%+1) and it isn't being questioned.

The admittedly unlikely scenario indicates 0 points for someone participating but not finishing "in the points" which isn't required to satisfy the 50%+1 rule -- or is it?

May I ask why no award(s) would be given? If it is because the four entrants with 50%+1 participation (at the very bottom showing seven events completed out of twelve held) have no points then assume for this discussion that they each have 1 point or more. Would they still not win a trophy?


To clarify, First place goes to the entrant who has completed 50% + 1 events and has the highest point total among those who have qualified by entry numbers. Second place goes to the second highest point total who has completd 50% + 1 events and so forth. Position is awarded regardless of there being a trophy given. Only entrants who have completed the 50%+1 are considered for position or trophy.

I understood you to post that someone satisfying the 50%+1 rule would trump anyone not meeting the rule and be moved up in place (above those not meeting the requirement although they have more points) and into first place or whatever place is next available.

I'm just trying to understand how this past practice worked. The extreme point of the scenario was to demonstrate that someone could attend even twelve events and still be at the bottom of the points is a highly competitive class that in this case didn't have any of the top twelve drivers completing 50%+1 of the events.

I honestly don't know how best to handle anything this extreme but feel that however a rule is written and applied needs to also work in this situation.

--Dan

[rhdxsi]

1st place = trophy
2nd place = trophy
3rd place = trophy?

Or do just first and second place get trophies?

[fastFijian]

In that case, then, the first-place winner is ...? :confused:

And ... 2nd, 3rd, & 4th? Or is it a four-way tie for 1st?

http://www.cs.csustan.edu/~dbratten/C6/Trophy.png

intresting stuff Dan..how about whoever gets the seven events first gets the first, second and third respectively.. if more than one have the same seven events we give them all the prize with the cost of one first prize divided among them, which might come down to a ribbon each. these rules would only apply to zero point holders. a situation like this with points, every gets whatever their place is, could be 4 firsts, but no one gets second, third or fourth.
...just something to ponder in a dull moment!!

[racinric95]

Two elements must exist. 1st, you must earn a point. Zero's don't count.
Next, you must run at least 50%+1 event to be eligible. Now the "kicker".
I don't believe we have a "distribution formula" like the one in the rule book.
Do you guarantee 1st place and have a certain class average for everyone
else?
Ric

[dbratten]

Two elements must exist. 1st, you must earn a point. Zero's don't count.
Next, you must run at least 50%+1 event to be eligible. Now the "kicker".
I don't believe we have a "distribution formula" like the one in the rule book.
Do you guarantee 1st place and have a certain class average for everyone
else?
Ric

Yes, I should have posted my scenario with points shown for anyone considered for a trophy. I've revised it and included it below.

http://www.cs.csustan.edu/~dbratten/C6/Trophy2.png

So ... given this new scenario -- how many trophies are awarded and who do they go to, if anyone? And, why?

Speaking of trophies -- which is what I believe Ric is asking -- is there a chapter/regional rule regarding the number of trophies given based on the average number of participants in class over the year? I have used this type of rule in the past for individual events but not with a series (e.g., a trophy is awarded for every 3 entrants.) I guess I'm asking if everyone running 50%+1 trophies.

Whatever is decided should be written down and on the web for all to see.

--Dan

[Dennis]

hello dbratten.
nice post......thanks for sharing information..

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