Buttonwillow June 6th (config. #1 CCW)

[2159ClassicRed]

http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/images/race_01_config.gif

Weather Forecast (http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/local/USCA0146?lswe=buttonwillow,%20ca&from=searchbox_localwx)

Keynotes: I'll be attending the June 6th (Saturday) event only. Garage #1 has been rented out for Saturday, so park nearby if you would like to introduce yourselves to club members.

Held by the Northern California Racing Club for a low low price of $99 :eek: :eek: :eek:

CLICK HERE FOR INFO (http://ncracing.org/events.php)

Tech Sheet:

Here (http://ncracing.org/docs/tech.pdf)

Garage info ($75):

Jessica Garza
Lukarace@aol.com
661-764-5333


Attendees for June 6th:
Kurt (Miata)
Cliff (Cooper S)
Josh (240sx-sr20det)
Brandon (Golf GTI)
EricG (mkiisupra)
DanB (C6)
RonB (Mariner Blue Miata)


Attendees for June 7th:
Eight86Six
rhdxsi
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[solo2_z06]

The weekend prior I have Friday at Buttonwillow followed by Sat-Sun at Auto Club Speedway with the BMW club. After a three day weekend of track stuff I think I'll have to pass on this. Great price and my favorite configuration.

[black_em2]

wow that is a great price!

[racinric95]

This is driving me crazy having to sit out all of these
great opportunities. Thank God for PS3. I know it ain't
the same but at least it's something. At least the new
car is making great progress.

Ric

[bgriggs]

Kurt, count me in... as long as my brake lines don't rupture the night before again!

[JFine]

I am going to do it.:eek:
I got clearance from them to run the Solo class because they do not have a school class that day.
Lets see I need tires and wheels NOW! Oh and paint but that should be done next month.
Let hope we don't get a 100 degree day that day. With this funny weather maybe it will be 80 degrees. Hey I can hope for an equal opposite to what we have now.:D

[cap49]

Ya' know I'm thinking of changing my vacation plans just to see you young guys take to the track.

[2159ClassicRed]

I am going to do it.:eek:
I got clearance from them to run the Solo class because they do not have a school class that day.
Lets see I need tires and wheels NOW! Oh and paint but that should be done next month.
Let hope we don't get a 100 degree day that day. With this funny weather maybe it will be 80 degrees. Hey I can hope for an equal opposite to what we have now.:D

Now you'll really be able to stretch the legs of that sr20det.

Youngsters vs. Oldtimers :D

[JFine]

I have officially registered. :D
I am in the Solo Class and I paid for timing.
Hmm, where to get some 17" rims?:eek:

[2159ClassicRed]

Is there interest in a garage? I'll be looking into pricing soon.

Power outlets are available, so on-site, in-car video can be viewed after each session. Plus that way we can re-charge stuff, and plug in a fan. Heck, be creative, and plug in a 'frig as well :D

[cap49]

Never done a garage at the track before. It's usually something the serious guys do. How much does one cost for the day Kurt?

[2159ClassicRed]

Never done a garage at the track before. It's usually something the serious guys do. How much does one cost for the day Kurt?

$75 for garage rental, interest?

[JFine]

So far I count 4 that are going.
Myself
Kurt
Cliff
Brandon

dividing that up 4 ways is $18.75ea.

My question is how big is the garage?
Could we fit more than one car in there?
Are they climate controlled? A/C or Swamp?:D

I am down for it if the garage is cooled and we can get atleast 2 cars inside at a time. I would be willing to bring my HUGE shop fan to cool us and the cars.:eek:

I purchase 2 rims so far and now I only need 2 more. :D

[2159ClassicRed]

Courtesy of FatKidPhotography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/fatkidphotography/3132585212/in/set-72157611578188716/):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/3132585212_8a9911ba55_o.jpg

No A/C, but there are outlets for power, and check it out, paper towel dispenser :eek:!

I think running all in the same class (Solo), we might not be able to swap back and forth. Maybe others would be interested in renting out another garage as well. I've never done this, but I found myself walking by those garages, and grew jealous of their shade :mad:. The price is more than reasonable, even for a single car, and the price of the event being so low adds to the appeal.

What do you guys say? I'm about to register soon, and ask for a garage.

So what tires will you be running Josh? If you need help finding some, I could keep an eye out for you.

[JFine]

I will be running my Fuzion Hri 245/45R17 speed rated to 130mph that I bought last year in the off season and only drove on 2-3 times.
The first pair of rims is Kosei K3's 17 x 7 +36 offset 4 x 114.3 on closeout at tirerack.
The second pair might be a set of Rota 17 x 7.5 +25 offset 4 x 114.3

Like I said I am down for the garage and would be willing to rotate who gets to be inside. Let me know.:cool:

[2159ClassicRed]

You could probably run the V710's for one session to pull off a personal best, as I've read people running the A6 for a session or two...........then the rest is history :D

[JFine]

Kurt is it only 110V outlets? Are there any 220V outlets?
Also to they have air plumbed in?

[2159ClassicRed]

Emailed back about the outlet question.

Air plumbed in? Confused here. Do you mean air pump, or ventilation for the garage?

Sidenote: Emailed NCRC concerning their "broomstick" test rule on convertiables and rollbars. Crossing my fingers they treat this rule the same way SCCA does, which is nothing :D

[JFine]

Air compressor line, so I know whether or not to bring my pump for tires.

[2159ClassicRed]

Air is available on site, but not in the garages.

[pikerttrash]

I'm down to go with you guy's....I'm not gonna be runnin, but I could help with pic take'n and garage work.

[JFine]

I am not sure if my mechanic will be coming with me. Here is a challenge for you Terry. See if you can get a pic of all of us on the track together. :eek: Glad to hear you are coming.:D

[2159ClassicRed]

Power outlets: 110V :(

[schrotacular]

I might be game to tag along. I need to thrash to find all the right parts to get the brakes working properly though...hmmm the subaru will be up and running by then :D

[pikerttrash]

I am not sure if my mechanic will be coming with me. Here is a challenge for you Terry. See if you can get a pic of all of us on the track together. :eek: Glad to hear you are coming.:D

The Name's TONY.....

[black_em2]

id love to tag along as well! Id really like to see how things run at a track event like this, and i dont mind wrenching either!

[JFine]

Sorry Tony.:(

Cool to see all of the interest. We definitely need a garage to all hang out in between runs. What do you guys think about taking the banner to hang outside the garage? I am also thinking we should bring the clubs two EZUPs for shade outside the garage.

Well no 220V means I wont bring a portable A/C unit. I still will be bringing my 30" Giant fan to cool us and the cars.

I do not know if we can give rides, but I think we can. I will make sure to get a 4 point like mine installed for the passenger seat. Reminder helmets need to be M00,SA00 or newer.

[yosemitemtb]

Counter clockwise? I think this video is clockwise, just watch it in reverse :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBvM9DQFR6U

[JFine]

Kurt,

Did you register yet and did you get a garage for us?

[cap49]

Just mailed my entry fee in today. A few ideas:

Do we really need a garage if we can use a tent type cover? There is usually plenty of room to set up an area for a group like ours. We can use ice coolers for food and liquid refreshment plus the snack bar is usually open. Most track-day organizations will provide free bottled water. (the local water is horrible)

Hopefully there shouldn't be too much wrenching for the day if the cars are checked out closely the week before going to the track. Checking air pressures in the early sessions and fluids later in the day should be all that is required.

[black_em2]

Id love to do a ride along if possible!

[JFine]

I got the 4 point belt in on the passenger side and got the passenger door working so I am ready to give rides now. Passengers welcome at the May 10th day for preview of what you would be in for.
Also received my Kosei K3 silver 17x7 pair of rims. Should have tires mounted tomorrow. Anybody know somebody who has a pair of 17" x 7" to 17" x 8" rims in 4 x 114.3 lug pattern for sale?

[Eight86six]

Could someone let me know what I will need to have for the track day?
This will be my first, not sure about the regulations, helmet, harness...and any other input would be helpful
Thanks

[BryanH]

Curse my lack of income... that is a great price. Last time I ran BWillow it was $170 or so for a day, but that was with a club that didn't book too many cars in each session (I hate trains - let me run free!).

How many cars are on track at once with this club?

If I've got nothing else going that weekend (I'll have to check) I might be down to hang out and take pictures. :)

[pikerttrash]

I'm down to go with you guy's....I'm not gonna be runnin, but I could help with pic take'n and garage work.


Sorry guys, I'm not gonna be able to make it. My buddy is getting married that day.

[JFine]

Tony, tell your buddy he should get married at the track. hehehe
Bryan let me know because I will have room in my truck if you want to save on gas.

[SmokeyBear]

But I think I'll have to pass on this one. I've got the same problem Gary has; a two-day event ar Reno-Fernley the following weekend. Also, my car heats up at BW and June will be hot!

Now - everybody keep June 7th open. That's the day of the Belmont Concours de' eleganza (http://http://www.deleganzaevents.com/index2.html). I have a meeting with the organizer next week to discuss our involvement. At the minimum we will have a corral with preferred parking. Maybe admission discount also.

[2159ClassicRed]

Sorry for the delay guys. I just submitted payment, and waiting on approval from them. Once approved, I'll send in the request for the garage.

Ron, thanks for the heads up on the June 7th event. Should be a fun filled weekend.

[2159ClassicRed]

Registered, sent garage renting request today.

[Eight86six]

Thanks to Cap49 for the info
The only person who replied...:confused: lame
Registering for the 7th

[2159ClassicRed]

1st post :rolleyes:

[JFine]

Kurt are you saying we have Garage #1? Just wanted to clarify.
Sorry (Eight86Six) that I missed your post.:(
See you there on the 6th.

[2159ClassicRed]

Yep, garage #1 is booked

[mkiisupra]

I jumped in! I will be there as well, pending approval...

I put Kurt's, Cliff's, and Gary's names as references, please make sure you share with the organizers how little car control I have, and my on track aggressiveness....;)

I hope to have some fun, new course, new track...

See you on Sunday!

Eric G

[dbratten]

I'm thinking about attending this (Buttonwillow, not the car show) but it's getting a bit confusing. What day are people going? The thread started out talking about Saturday, June 6th and has now evolved to Sunday, June 7th. Both days are available for registration.

So, which is it? I'm only considering running one day.

--Dan

[mkiisupra]

Dan-

I registered for Saturday only, the 6th... I was having a similar clarity problem, but I think that I determined that most folks are doing the SATURDAY event... It shows up as getting filled, not filled up...

at least, i think so...

Eric

[JFine]

We are meeting down there on the 6th.:cool:

NOT THE 7TH.:eek:

If you register for the 7th then you will probably be down there by yourself. :eek:

[dbratten]

Thanks everyone for the clarification. I just sent payment for the 6th and will run in Point By as I'm a bit rusty. ;-)

This will allow ride-alongs for anyone willing from the Solo group.

--Dan

[JFine]

Thanks Dan for thinking of the group. I know almost all of us are in the SOLO group.:D

FYI we only have one garage reserved which holds 2 cars inside and another two outside. The cost is a cheap $75 for shade and power outlets for fans. I would think about another one if you guys all want shade. I plan to split the cost with Kurt for the Garage. I was going to snag the EZUPS from the trailer and put them up in front of the garage for the two cars outside, so 4 cars have shade unless you bring your own.

As Kurt has it listed there are 6 cars going and that means two without shade.
Again only $75 for nice shade and power.

[Eight86six]

Another member and I are going on the 7th since this will be our first track day and they require a ride w/ an instructor:(
Would rather go with the CV guys, but I just want to run....

[dbratten]

Thanks Dan for thinking of the group. I know almost all of us are in the SOLO group.:D

FYI we only have one garage reserved which holds 2 cars inside and another two outside. The cost is a cheap $75 for shade and power outlets for fans. I would think about another one if you guys all want shade. I plan to split the cost with Kurt for the Garage. I was going to snag the EZUPS from the trailer and put them up in front of the garage for the two cars outside, so 4 cars have shade unless you bring your own.

As Kurt has it listed there are 6 cars going and that means two without shade.
Again only $75 for nice shade and power.
I kinda figured there would be lots of shade while you guys were out in the Solo group. :rolleyes:

I'm willing to toss in some money toward the garage. I just need to figure out if I'll change tires down there or drive out on the 710s.

--Dan

[cap49]

That's a long drive for you on track rubber. I'll help you change into your track shoes if you'd like.................... I didn't think there would be enough room in the vette for tires.

[JFine]

As you might have noticed we have garage#1 so see if you can get garage #2.

I will be bringing my shop tools, jack, jack stands, maybe air compressor, impact wrench, and shop fan. If anybody needs transport down there then I have two seats still left open so you can save on gas. I also should be able to haul some tires or other misc stuff if needed.

If you want to coordinate either personal transport or equipment transport then contact me at <corvair_77@hotmail.com>

[SmokeyBear]

It would be better not to go that day. The Belmont Concours d’Eleganza (http://http://www.deleganzaevents.com/index2.html) is that day and I'm working on a fabulous deal for us!

[dbratten]

That's a long drive for you on track rubber. I'll help you change into your track shoes if you'd like.................... I didn't think there would be enough room in the vette for tires.

Thank you for that generous offer. I'll guess you haven't noticed the trailer hitch I've had on it all these years. I welded up a T-bar carrier a couple of years ago but haven't used it with all the events I've run being within 100 miles. You're right that this is a long trip so I will most likely change tires at the track.

So ... now I have to decide what to do about alignment. My street tires (after 3.5 yrs and several autocrosses) are cording the inside edge of the fronts due to driving on race settings too much. I may put in the race alignment at the track as well.

All of a sudden, a trailer is looking like a good investment. Damn track events. :D

--Dan

[mkiisupra]

I'm in!

I would be willing to chip in on a garage if there is interest in a second. I don't plan on playing with settings too much, just to get some seat time... However it would be nice to catch some shade if needed...

Eric G
Now, which Fairlady, 350 or 240...???

[JFine]

Contact Kurt to see who he was talking to at the track so you might be able to rent garage #2.

[2159ClassicRed]

Check first post on garage rental info :)

[SmokeyBear]

In the Point By Group. I had to squeeze it in between a play at 2nd Space friday night and the Concours d'Eleganza (http://www.fresnoscca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168) on Sunday. Now I have to fix my overheating problem. I'm tired of "This is Buttonwillow so I must be overheating."

I know Dan is in point-buy group, is anybody else?

[dbratten]

In the Point By Group. I had to squeeze it in between a play at 2nd Space friday night and the Concours d'Eleganza (http://www.fresnoscca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168) on Sunday. Now I have to fix my overheating problem. I'm tired of "This is Buttonwillow so I must be overheating."

I know Dan is in point-buy group, is anybody else?

Welcome, Ron.

Eric (mkiisupra) mentioned going in on a garage. Are you interested? We could each pay 1/3 and if others are willing alternate space with the solo group runners so that most everyone could be in the shade when not running and needing to "adjust" their car.

--Dan

[2159ClassicRed]

In the Point By Group. I had to squeeze it in between a play at 2nd Space friday night and the Concours d'Eleganza (http://www.fresnoscca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168) on Sunday. Now I have to fix my overheating problem. I'm tired of "This is Buttonwillow so I must be overheating."

I know Dan is in point-buy group, is anybody else?

Solo here ;)

Great to hear Ron pulled through. Let the trash talking begin :)

[SmokeyBear]

Welcome, Ron.

Eric (mkiisupra) mentioned going in on a garage. Are you interested? We could each pay 1/3 and if others are willing alternate space with the solo group runners so that most everyone could be in the shade when not running and needing to "adjust" their car.

--Dan
I'm thinking.....:confused::rolleyes:

[rob.ok]

Wow! Looks like a good Fresno based turn out! Very cool!

I'll try to make it out just to hang. The car will definitely not be ready though :(

If you guys can swing it, I'd get a garage. Better call and reserve it now though. They go pretty quick once its hot out.
The Silverstone S2000 duo is dead :(


Here is a link to turn by turn (CCW) description of the track.
http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-counterclockwise.pdf


-Rob

[mercedap2s2000]

I'm in!

I would be willing to chip in on a garage if there is interest in a second. I don't plan on playing with settings too much, just to get some seat time... However it would be nice to catch some shade if needed...

Eric G
Now, which Fairlady, 350 or 240...???

I would be interesting to chip in for the garage shade too. count me in, this is my first Buttonwillow track day. I assume is going to be hot, so shade will definitely help. I shooting for Sat the 6th.

Kurt, where do I register? Thanks man.
By the way this is Tyler from Merced.

[mercedap2s2000]

I would be interesting to chip in for the garage shade too. count me in, this is my first Buttonwillow track day. I assume is going to be hot, so shade will definitely help. I shooting for Sat the 6th.

Kurt, where do I register? Thanks man.
By the way this is Tyler from Merced.

:(Too bad, Solo is full for Sat the 6th. Little to late. Have fun gentlemen.:)

[rhdxsi]

I registered for the 7th. Is anyone else going on that day.

[2159ClassicRed]

Check first post.

[Eight86six]

Just us Son!!
Concours d'Apex on Sunday!!
Got Monday off to ;)

[2159ClassicRed]

Updated with tech sheet link. It'll be a good idea for beginners to read the page on tips for beginners.

[SmokeyBear]

In the Point By Group. I had to squeeze it in between a play at 2nd Space friday night and the Concours d'Eleganza (http://www.fresnoscca.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168) on Sunday. Now I have to fix my overheating problem. I'm tired of "This is Buttonwillow so I must be overheating."

I know Dan is in point-buy group, is anybody else?Myron (2/3rds Cobra) did some air-low fixing for me today. Let's hope it solves the problem.

[JFine]

I got my registration packet a couple days ago. I got to study on where the passing zones are for Solo group.

[SmokeyBear]

I got mine, too. I've already put it in my HPDE folder that I take to all events. Don't forget to print out, and complete, the tech inspection form. I've got that in my folder also. You can't get in without it.

[dbratten]

I got mine, too. I've already put it in my HPDE folder that I take to all events. Don't forget to print out, and complete, the tech inspection form. I've got that in my folder also. You can't get in without it.
Hey Ron, did you decide if you wanted in on a garage? I spoke with Eric this morning at the Sac. SCCA event in Stockton and he's in. I just called and have garage #3.

--Dan

[SmokeyBear]

Hey Ron, did you decide if you wanted in on a garage? I spoke with Eric this morning at the Sac. SCCA event in Stockton and he's in. I just called and have garage #3.

--DanOK. I'm in. I've never had a garage before, it ought to be nice. I'm presuming it will have a fully stocked refrigerator and tool box. ;) How will three in a garage work? You and I will be out at the same time. Eric will be out the session just before us. That leaves 60 minutes with the three of us in the grage. Hmmm... cozy.. Does anybody know where garage #3 is?

[2159ClassicRed]

#3 should be 2 down from us :)

[SmokeyBear]

#3 should be 2 down from us :)Where are you? Wait, don't answer, I know. You are in #5. That's 2 down from #3. No wait. You could be in #1. That's also 2 down from #3. Damn - Now I'm all confused.:confused: Does anybody know where garage #1 or 3 or 5 is?:rolleyes:

[JFine]

See the attachment for all the information I know.

[SmokeyBear]

See the attachment for all the information I know.Geez - Why didn't I think of that? Of course, silly me, I should have known. Garage #3 is in one of the two garage buildings. DUH! I feel so inadequate.

[JFine]

I took a look through my Redline Time Attack photos and I got the east garage in the background. The Garages are numbered from the West side or the left side of the sat pic I posted 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8. There are 4 stalls per Garage building. The Young Guns will be in #1 and the other club members will be in #3.

I have the EZUP's from the trailer for the two cars parked out front of our Garage. I also have the Grey chairs and one of the 6' tables. Anybody that needs me to transport equipment down then please shoot me an email.

Also I might have a seat or two available for those of you wanting to ride down just to watch. You will need to email me to get one of these spots.

[SmokeyBear]

BUTTONWILLOW RACEWAY - JUNE 6 & 7
We've added these two days in conjunction with another club:

SATURDAY, June 6: On Saturday, we're offering a low car-count group for those of you who like a lot of room (and are willing to pay more for it). The cost is $390 and we'll be running no more than 14 cars on track. To sign up: http://www.speedventures.com/events/eventdetail.aspx?id=257

SUNDAY: We've got a normal car count group for intermediate and advanced drivers only at the very low price of $140 for early signups! The configuration is #1 CCW. To sign up: http://www.speedventures.com/events/eventdetail.aspx?id=257

BOTH DAYS: If you have a race-prepped car and are looking for an opportunity to do some actual wheel-to-wheel racing, we've got spots both days for only $115 per day for early signups! Your car must have a cage and other safety equipment in order to take race in this group. Contact us directly to get added to this group.Fellas, I think our track time just got reduced. I'll bet we'll be getting an updated schedule. Maybe as late as the morning of June 6. SV has pulled this adding another group sh*t before. sometimes I've signed up for what I thought would be 3 groups and it became 5. Sometimes I've had a two hour wait between runs. If that happens again, I'll be an unhappy driver!

[miatacrosser]

I have the EZUP's from the trailer for the two cars parked out front of our Garage. I also have the Grey chairs and one of the 6' tables. Anybody that needs me to transport equipment down then please shoot me an email.

Will those EZUP's be available the next day for the Car Show? I was going to see if I could get my canopy out of the trailer this weekend which, combined, should give us some nice shade.

[JFine]

I attached a pdf of where we are parking.

I would be willing to complain if my track time is cut from the advertised:
"Config #1 CCW, Five 20/25 minute sessions per DE group, and three (practice, qual, race) sessions for the race group."
They don't have anything stating "subject to change" so they must conform to what they have posted. I went to NCRC's website and their "Open" and "Race" groups are not full, so maybe they are going to take over one of those groups.

As far as the two club EZUP's go I plan to take them with my car to the Concourse the next day.

Does anybody know of any good in car video of CCW #1? I have seen some on youtube.com but is there anything better maybe with some tips? :confused:

[SmokeyBear]

so, grage 1 & 3 are in the west garage area. good to know. I didn't know that before. I've always been in the paddock area somewhere.

[cap49]

Fellas, I think our track time just got reduced. I'll bet we'll be getting an updated schedule. Maybe as late as the morning of June 6. SV has pulled this adding another group sh*t before. sometimes I've signed up for what I thought would be 3 groups and it became 5. Sometimes I've had a two hour wait between runs. If that happens again, I'll be an unhappy driver!

You're right Ron it's Speed Ventures who is adding a group to this now shared track day. Their group will be a 14 cars or less group for $390 on Sat. plus I think a group on Sun. I'm not too happy either but at least this group should have some interesting participants.

[2159ClassicRed]

That's a real bummer :mad:

[Eight86six]

RHDXSI and i have garage #1 for sunday!!
hopefully there will be less cars that day...

[JFine]

I will make sure we leave garage #1 really dirty. JK:D

[Eight86six]

Ha ha
Leave some ice...
It has to be cooler than Fresno, right??!??:(

[solo2_z06]

Not the best for cam angle, but for course reference I found this...
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/TEAM-Racing-event-at-May_48638.htm

This might be better
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Buttonwillow-RoadCourse_109354.htm

I have DVDs on most popular configurations of Buttonwillow, but, there isn't time to get one to you by the time you are running there

[SmokeyBear]

I inqured about SV with Dave at NCRC. Here is his response

SpeedVentures bought a run group from us, which is why we don’t have a driving school at the event. They may also have a few racers join us in our regular race group. You can see the schedule at http://www.ncracing.org/images/schedule/sched090606.gifSV has always been on the scedule, I didn't look close enough. Like I said, my bad.

[JFine]

Thanks Gary for those video links.

[rob.ok]

This is what you should be studying.


http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-clockwise.pdf
http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-counterclockwise.pdf

I will try to make it out and hang out for the day and catch some rides.

[SmokeyBear]

This is what you should be studying.


http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-clockwise.pdf
http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-counterclockwise.pdf

I will try to make it out and hang out for the day and catch some rides.He is right. Excellent write-up!! Study it because there will be a test afterwards.:;)

[2159ClassicRed]

I'll be preping the Miata this weekend, all fluid changes, brake changes, and making sure all of the bolts are tightened correctly. Hope others are doing the same, as it's nearly around the corner. Weather report is 92*F, hopefully it doesn't hit 100*F!

[rob.ok]

^ What ever Kurt....its BW...its the freakin desert. Nothing makes it cool, it will be super, blazing hot with vultures circling above. 92 at BW means it'll be 106 in the shade :cool: I've never been there when its cool....even in January it was like 80+.

Sometimes WSIR is cool if it gets the right wind but don't count on it.

[2159ClassicRed]

^ What ever Kurt....its BW...its the freakin desert. Nothing makes it cool, it will be super, blazing hot with vultures circling above. 92 at BW means it'll be 106 in the shade :cool: I've never been there when its cool....even in January it was like 80+.

Sometimes WSIR is cool if it gets the right wind but don't count on it.

Shhhhhh................trying to look forward to the event at least. Well at least there will be shade to take a nap. I'll need all I can get, as the trip back home won't be pleasant :mad:

[JFine]

Oh right Kurt NO A/C.

[mkiisupra]

Is there a tire service onsite? I am trying to get all that I can from the Nitto INVOS that I have on the Z right now, but I ordered up some new tires and can bring them along. Anyone wanna 'judge' if I have enough for the weekend or not?

Rears, no problem right now. Fronts still have circumfrential grooves, but are worn so that the 'v' tread from the invo tire on the outer edge is pretty much gone. If they were the old Azenis on the SVT, I would've run them. Any idea how much tire wear to expect? Is there a tire shop onsite (you shoulda seen the used rubber at infineon last weekend!) to put my tires on if I bring them down?

Gary stated that brakes were more of an issue in this configuration than tires considering wear, anyone want to share their ideas of how worn their tires are for this weekend, or what??

Just a topic to ponder so Kurt doesn't worry about the a/c issue.

Eric G

[rob.ok]

There is a tire facility on site. Prices are high...but there might be a discount for SCCA members....I know there is for CalClub members since the track is owned by CalClub SCCA.

Don't worry about tire wear... Tire wear will not be an issue at all. I'd have to see the rubber first to know for sure but just keep an eye on them. If you cord them, then have them changed. If your afraid that they might cord earlier than expected then change them this week before going to the track.

[2159ClassicRed]

When I first went out there with my S2000, I was in caution of the tire wear, and was expecting a lot of it to be honest. This was in August of all months, so the temperatures were high. Being a cheapy as I am, and on a budget, I just replaced my rears with the then new Dunlop Star Specs, and kept the front Azenis 615s on. So fresh rubber for the rear, and 3/4 of the life of the Azenis's gone in the front. At the end of the day, with 5 sessions of running, the fronts look nearly the same as they did when I arrived on them. If there was any wear on them, maybe just 1/32nds of it at the most. The rears had the normal gummy sticky tire look to them, but same conclusion, minimal wear. I would have to say that autocrossing creates more noticable wear on tires than track days. Probably has to do with the sharper turns, and the track conditions as well. The major concern has to be the brakes IMO. If they aren't up to par, have fun like Ric did :D.

Post pics :)

[mkiisupra]

Thanks Kurt and rob.ok-

I haven't run a track day for a while (~2002-3) and needed some reminders!
I will most likely run the used tires and bring new ones down just in case, I would really like to save the tires for my trip to Iowa the week after track day, but like you said, not really much of a tire issue.

For Brakes? New Hawk HP fronts, new rotors, plenty of life (more than 50%)in the rear pads, but have some new ones for after the track day.

I will change out the radiator coolant for the day and my trip also. Everything seems to be in order...

Now back to the videos and the anal PCA technique guide. I will attempt to keep porsche jokes to a minimum.

Maybe a photo, however I have to get some students graduated tonight, and I have graduations the next 3 nights and tonight. Maybe not on the photo...

Eric G

[rob.ok]

^ How much does your car weigh?

Make sure you bring extra pads and check those rear good before you come out. Pull the caliper off and check the inside pad too...not just the outside pad. It could be much less.

The one thing I can tell you....is if your up to speed HP probably will be gone in a few sessions.

I went through a set of HP Plus in 4 sessions and pretty much melted the pad material off the backing plates. The reason is that they just can not handle the heat. They are the some or worse than regular street pads (which for the S2000 is really good). I'm not sure about the HP though. If there is only 50% left though you might get yourself in trouble if your driving the car hard.


I lost all braking going into sunset at about 109mph and it was definitely scary. Learned my lesson real quick after that.

[2159ClassicRed]

Rob learned, and baller'd out on a PHAT J's kit :D

Another side note: I noticed another S2k member was using Toyo RA1's on Porterfield street pads, and wore them out just as quick. So the pattern is that R-comps and high performance street pads don't work well.

[rob.ok]

Rob learned, and baller'd out on a PHAT J's kit :D

Another side note: I noticed another S2k member was using Toyo RA1's on Porterfield street pads, and wore them out just as quick. So the pattern is that R-comps and high performance street pads don't work well.

I was actually on crappy street tires when it happened to me. Its all about the heat rating....street friendly stuff just doesn't work.

[Eight86six]

i have the endless CCX and just mounted and balanced some toyo R888....just hope my old car holds together:)

[2159ClassicRed]

I was actually on crappy street tires when it happened to me. Its all about the heat rating....street friendly stuff just doesn't work.

Going back, I was using Axxis Ulimates, Valvoline brake fluid (blue bottle), and I had fade, but controllable fade. Couple weeks later, while prepping for the sale of the S, I noticed that the pads weren't heavily worn. It all depends on how dedicated of a track nut you want to be :D. I think Eric will be fine. He can always just slide around to slow his Fairlady down :eek::D

[cap49]

Agree with all the comments about street sports pads and extreme conditions on track. Bring a used or new set of front pads with you just in case, you can always use them later anyway. Have not heard anyone comment on the value of a good brake bleeding and use of a quality fluid before coming to the track. Maybe that was understood. Brakes are the usual victims at a track day.

[yosemitemtb]

Going back, I was using Axxis Ulimates, Valvoline brake fluid (blue bottle), and I had fade, but controllable fade. Couple weeks later, while prepping for the sale of the S, I noticed that the pads weren't heavily worn. It all depends on how dedicated of a track nut you want to be :D. I think Eric will be fine. He can always just slide around to slow his Fairlady down :eek::D

I had axxis ultimate pad material smeared all over all four rotors after a day at BW. Great autocross pad, not so great for track days on a 3300lb car.

[rob.ok]

I guess brake issues is part of the track addiction...you have to experience them first hand to really appreciate it.

Its not the day at the track that is expensive......its the drive home when you start thinking about how your gonna go faster next time.

[mkiisupra]

Right on, got it about brakes.

Last time was with the Wallowing Supra (#1) and AXXIS pads, no smearing, but that was Laguna Seca. This time, 350Z (about same lbs.) but about 2x horsepower. New fronts pads, but not a track day addict (yet). I got out my wonderful articulating mirror and flashlight and checked the rears in about 6 places inside and outside pads, all even and about 50-60% remaining.

BTW, new tire smell is permeating my living room, much better than fabreeze, or room freshener. But I also have a motorcycle in the computer room.

Thanks for the help, keep up the chatter!

Eric G

[cap49]

"BTW, new tire smell is permeating my living room, much better than fabreeze, or room freshener. But I also have a motorcycle in the computer room."





Ahhh............to be young and single again.

[mkiisupra]

Much appreciated Cliff-

However, I believe that I have been tagged with the 'non-young guns' label from an earlier post. Oh well...

The single part, well, that my friends, is mainly by design. And well, I feel the need to not be another with the story, 'I used to have a x, y, and Z, but then I got 'married, kids, older, etc.' Makes my heart ache every time I hear a story like that... Actually I did get my roommate a scooter so I could keep my crazy car/bike facination going, and to ease the pain of her not parking in her own garage.

Eric G, with a very understanding roommate...

[rob.ok]

new tire smell is permeating my living room, much better than fabreeze, or room freshener.

Ha Ha! I totally know that smell. I gotta keep the R-Comps indoors so that the compound doesn't go off from the temperature / humidity changes when I'm not running them.

[SmokeyBear]

Looks like the weather gods will be with us on Saturday. Looks like 74* & partly cloudy. For BW, that's spectacular! I'm doubly glad as my car doesn't like 90*+.

[mkiisupra]

Gather round kids, time to play 'old and busted vs. new and sexy'!!

Which is which?

http://www.pbase.com/egillis/image/113342395/medium.jpghttp://www.pbase.com/egillis/image/113342394/medium.jpg Thank you City of Modesto for recently installing 3 two-lane roundabouts within about a city block of my home, woot!!

OR

http://www.pbase.com/egillis/image/113342393/medium.jpg

Quien es mas macho?

Well, should I change them out? I read up on the notices and regs again with the reminder email sent out today, I thought that I should just to save time for the track and safety of getting there and back. Again not dedicated track monkey, but willing to learn, especially around this...

http://www.pbase.com/egillis/image/113342392/medium.jpg Last weekend at Wine Country Classics.

Change or push my luck?

Eric G

[2159ClassicRed]

Since you'll be smoking every corner in Z glory, change them :D :D :D

I love the roundabouts at CSUF, I motion they be all over the place where a stop sign is

[rob.ok]

Yeah change them....not because its dangerous but because the outside edge is where your tires are gonna be generating the most grip. The bald set will be doing you no favors on track.


On a side note though...there is something seriously wrong here. When was the last time you got your car aligned? I would think that there is a toe or possibly even a camber issue. I've only seen a few tires wear like that on the outside edge....never from driving on the street though with out there being other issues.

[mkiisupra]

Thats what I thought, change them. Thanks folks!

Uneven tire wear in front is the 350Z trademark, the car has already had the 'tire feathering' recall/tsb done on it. If you look at a full tread INVO the balding area is the least depth tread area, the wear is actually only accelerated by the one 'lefty' autox and the daily roundabout "nurenburg ring" escapades.

Yes, the car will need an alignment with new shoes, I think I haven't had this one aligned yet. I tend to lose track... see, I am getting old...

Eric G

[rob.ok]

^ I think we should take some measurements to get a better idea of what the tires require for an alignment. My guess is that you could increase the camber about a degree and a half or so (negative of course). I'd think it would even out the wear your experiencing and greatly improve the front grip. As is, I just can't imagine that the cars making the most use of the tires traction units. The outside edge must be getting really hot! Plus it gets expensive to replace tires due to strange wear patterns.


Does any one have a prob type pyrometer?

[cap49]

Hey Eric if it were me I'd check a website specific to your make and model and go to the forum thread on track suspension set-ups for your car. There has got to be plenty of consenus as to what settings works best for the track.

[mkiisupra]

For a good joke and a slight peek into the mess of 350Z front tire wear I am talking about, try searching '350Z alignment,' wow, what a mess...

Although rob.ok does point out that something is wrong, the solution is a bit elusive. I will work with my alignment guy to get it straight, he's awesome, and like I said, I haven't played with the settings in my daily driver much.

And as Kurt and the gang can attest, I am not too interested right now in tracking the car, I just want to get some giggles on the track. (no slides, although that may be fun... ;) )

Back to your regularly scheduled fun...

Eric G

[GtnMaZumOn]

Thank you City of Modesto for recently installing 3 two-lane roundabouts within about a city block of my home, woot!!

Yeah, I loved it when Ripon went on their skidpad, er, umm, roundabout building spree. One more time around with feeling! :)

[2159ClassicRed]

Any interest for a meet up spot before the drive to BW @ 5am?

[dbratten]

For a good joke and a slight peek into the mess of 350Z front tire wear I am talking about, try searching '350Z alignment,' wow, what a mess...

Although rob.ok does point out that something is wrong, the solution is a bit elusive. I will work with my alignment guy to get it straight, he's awesome, and like I said, I haven't played with the settings in my daily driver much.

And as Kurt and the gang can attest, I am not too interested right now in tracking the car, I just want to get some giggles on the track. (no slides, although that may be fun... ;) )

Back to your regularly scheduled fun...

Eric G

I don't think your tire wear looks that bad. Part of what looks so bad it due to the original tread pattern of the INVOs. I see pretty even wear across the bars in the deep groves.
http://www.pbase.com/egillis/image/113342395/medium.jpg http://www.discounttire.com/product/tires/nithz0.ang.jpg

You could use a little more negative camber (maybe -0.5) to compensate for your aggressive street use but other than that I don't see a problem. I'll bring some of my tools for alignment down to BW and we can check toe, camber, thrust angle and such if you'd like.

So now the question is -- "will it rain?"

--Dan

[rob.ok]

You may be right......could just be the way the tread blocks are made on the outside edge.

Examining the wear at track should give us full understanding if there is a strange wear problem.

[mkiisupra]

That's what I was saying "the v pattern is the least prominent'', thanks for the stock pic for comparo.

I did a quick check when I rotated them last weekend, and Dan is correct, the wear is actually quite even, its just the tread pattern and the silly z working together in the name of the god Vulcan to make me ante up more $$ for tires.

Thanks for the insight. I will go ahead and switch out tires. At around $160 each, I can experiment on one or two sets and alignment settings. I think that pushing my luck to get to and back from the track on the INVO's may be a bit too much.

Eric G

[mkiisupra]

New tires, check. Good brakes(maybe extra pads), fluids, check. SA2000 helmet, oops!?!

I noticed the 'self safety check' list to turn in to event staff. I have an autox only 95 helmet only...

3 reasonable options:
1- Run what I brung, and hope for the best, helmet is in great shape.
2- Utilize a loaner helmet from another group (hint, hint, showercap will be worn) or show proof with someone else's, and run what I brung.
3- Find a dealer pronto between here and Fresno, have me or someone pick it up (cash payback baby!!) new SA2000+.

Most input greatly appreciated, all input considered. ;)

Eric G

[dbratten]

2- Utilize a loaner helmet from another group (hint, hint, showercap will be worn) or show proof with someone else's, and run what I brung.


If you're not in Point-by you're welcome to use my helmet. Don't sweat the cap -- you can go bareback, if it's your style.

--Dan

[mkiisupra]

Dan, my friend, thank you. I will do what I can to score a 'legal' helmet quickly. I have the 'yellow' wristband of the 'solo' group, newbie again.

Enjoy the ride...I will be staying overnight in Delano. I will keep my spidey sense on to catch up with the group in the morning.

Eric G

[dbratten]

Dan, my friend, thank you. I will do what I can to score a 'legal' helmet quickly. I have the 'yellow' wristband of the 'solo' group, newbie again.

Enjoy the ride...I will be staying overnight in Delano. I will keep my spidey sense on to catch up with the group in the morning.

Eric G

Ahh, beautiful Delano. I instead chose the exotic local known as Lost Hills to spend my evening prior.

--Dan

[rob.ok]

I think its 10 or maybe 20 bucks at the most to rent a helmet from the track. Just ask for Warren. He drives a Yellow truck and Buttonwillow is his track. You just have to leave a credit card so he knows you wont steel it. I think he even gives you a free balaclava (its mandatory to wear a head sock since its a rental).
If warren is not around (should be there for the drivers meeting) just ask the event organizer, they can call him down on the radio.



On a side note.....


If you guys run into Warren (an older gentlemen in a yellow truck). Do exactly as he says with no questions asked. Warren is super cool but doesn't put up with any crap. Especially guys not being safe, speeding in the pits, littering, and so on...Buttonwillow is his track and takes a lot of pride in it. If he throws you out (which I've seen a number of times now) you will not be allowed back. He'll remember you car, name, and face.
The great thing about Warren is....if you meet him and spend a few mins talking to him...he'll remember your name next time your there. Really cool guy with lots of experince!!!

[SmokeyBear]

Rental helmets are avaialble at the track. $15-20/day IIRC.

[mkiisupra]

Gracias mis amigos!

I will not 'sweat' it, that's what the backlava is for...

And rob.ok, thanks for the heads up on the person to meet. We BW newbies appreciate it. Always good to meet the people really runs things.

Eric G

[2159ClassicRed]

Seemed like a low key fella. Last time I was WAY out near the "sweeper" before the "esses" taking photos, and I see that yellow truck cruising. Not haul'n down to scream at me like I would assume otherwise, but just asks me politely to move back near the fenced area.

[rob.ok]

Yeah Warren is super cool!
The problem is that most people don't understand that he is responsible for the entire track and everyone's safety. As soon as someone gives him lip, he'll put you in your place real quick.

There has been one death at Buttonwillow and you can tell it really breaks his heart. It's his mission to make sure everyone is following the rules.

[rob.ok]

Can anyone print this out for me to study at the track?

Thanks in advance.


http://www.pca-ggr.org/files/pdf/bw-counterclockwise.pdf


See you guys there!

[JFine]

Printed and should I still be up at 12:00am with a track day tomorrow? :D

[50Cobra]

SO how did everyone do?

[rob.ok]

The gods of buttonwillow were exacting vengeance for the unseasonable good weather :D Seams like I was the only one that was not harmed....I got a free pass though. They sacrificed my motor last time.....hungry for all that bleeds oil and smells of gas, they took another :(

Sorry Josh....If anyone feels you pain, its me.

[dbratten]

The gods of buttonwillow were exacting vengeance for the unseasonable good weather :D Seams like I was the only one that was not harmed....I got a free pass though. They sacrificed my motor last time.....hungry for all that bleeds oil and smells of gas, they took another :(

Sorry Josh....If anyone feels you pain, its me.
I had an excellent day -- with the possible exception of being stupid and running out of gas. Wasn't too big a deal as it was toward the end of the 4th session and I was able to coast off course into the sweeper just past star mazda. Warrren came out and rescued me and Ron had gas already in a can so we went right back out, crossed the track into the infield, fired the car up and I drove back in during the following group.

Got home last night around 7:30 (making the trip with Eric into Turlock) and then went up this morning to Stockton to the Sac. SCCA event for 1st run group. Took OSP and then trimmed another 1.5 sec. during fun runs with heat in the tires.

The car is working well but REALLY needs a bath (how ya doing Cliff?) :D

--Dan

[cap49]

Me? Just fine....................why do you ask?

[rob.ok]

http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo300/rob-ok/BWRACE1CCW.jpg

[cap49]

Oh I know now............. Seems just about all of us had an adventure at the track. In my case I tried to impress Josh with taking a particular part of the course on the cool-down lap of the last session of the day in a here to for untried manner. Well if you try something new without noodling it out more than two seconds before hand it could wind up as a 'stupid' move. Which it was. I got a ton of dirt through an open window and all over the interior and both us. Lesson learned.
Other than that it was an awesome day!!!!

I'd like to thank Josh and Wayne for spending time helping me fix the slow tire leaks caused by debris that got between the tire bead and the wheel that I picked up in my broad slid into the dirt at turn 8. I know you guys would much rather have been on your way to dinner instead of on your hands and knees picking little rocks out of an uncooperative tire. This is a great example of why I'm hooked on tracks and parking lots and the great people that use them. Thanks a million.

[SmokeyBear]

Yeah - let's hear from Cliff! I guess he had more problems than we knew.

[mkiisupra]

Kudos to Kurt and his cohort for posting this event opportunity in the first place.

I had a blast!! Once I gained confidence that Nissan wasn't out to punish my body size with a faulty driver's seat, I was able to really push the car harder and harder, you folks were great company for the day.

I am sure Josh's video of my car will yield another field day's worth of 'how to not' do's, sorry that he had to lose his ride to film mine.

Great to meet all, wonderful conversations and scoping out the Lambo 'continental/bling kit', nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Cliff, what would it take to have you come over to AutoX's again? I had a great time chatting with you.

Thanks Dan and Ron for hanging out and giving me loads of clues on how to do this again. Thanks for the ride along home Dan. I greatly apologize to Cliff for not hanging around, I wasn't aware of the extent of the conversion to gravel truck you had experienced. ;)

Didn't take the car over 55-5600rpms, I need it to go about 5000 miles in the next 3 weeks, so I had to take it easy.

BTW, we all won out on the 'guess the tire issue' game! 1/2in(!) toe in, tires with slight tread pattern on shoulder, funny wear issues from 350Z (the other tire had more even wear!) Kudos to all that played, your check is in the mail.

Pictures from VP were worth the cost, although I would rather hand my $$ to Bryan...

Look at the NCRC calendar, last event in Dec at Laguna. Is there enough interest and committment to make an offer to them to 'arrange a deal' for a group of Fresno SCCA-types looking to get some Solo/TimeTrial track time in? Perhaps similar to what Speed Ventures did, with a time slot last weekend? Some student/teacher cars, etc.? What a way to diversify our base!

Just a modest proposal.

Eric G

fyi- Best Track Day ever was Japan 2005 Datsun Roadster Club Track Day AutoX/Gymkhana and Race on local race track, Volume 108 Nostalgic Car Magazine, iirc.

[Eight86six]

Sooooooooo

[Eight86six]

Sweeeeeeet!!!

I loved it. Need 50 more HP :)

[JFine]

Hey Guys,

Even though I only got 3/4 of a lap at decent speed it was still a blast.
Lap 1 yellow
Lap 2 meat ball for hood check;)
Lap 3 here we go then 3/4 around a little rod knock:o
Lap 4 Alot of rod knock with meat ball. :(

Note to self: Don't patch a motor for a track day.:rolleyes:

Videos are coming along and I am thinking about making DVD's for those of you who had the camera in your cars. I plan to put all of the videos on one disk. I might put each video on youtube, but 15min videos take forever to upload.

[SmokeyBear]

... and scoping out the Lambo 'continental/bling kit',Yeah, that Lambo had a nice chassis.:D

[dbratten]

Hey Guys,

Even though I only got 3/4 of a lap at decent speed it was still a blast.
Lap 1 yellow
Lap 2 meat ball for hood check;)
Lap 3 here we go then 3/4 around a little rod knock:o
Lap 4 Alot of rod knock with meat ball. :(

Note to self: Don't patch a motor for a track day.:rolleyes:

Videos are coming along and I am thinking about making DVD's for those of you who had the camera in your cars. I plan to put all of the videos on one disk. I might put each video on youtube, but 15min videos take forever to upload.
All on one DVD would be great. I'd be happy to pay for a copy. It was really great of you to set up the camera in my car and I'd enjoy watching everyone's lines on course as well.

--Dan

[2159ClassicRed]

Gracious to all that came, without the large turnout of local members, it would have not been enjoyable.

My day began with a late start, as the sleeping schedule is in a complete mess as of late. WARNING: Being late, driving fast down CA41 early in the morning isn't always the best of ideas. This will be the last time I'll take 41 when heading down BW. It'll be 99S, then 46 from now on out. After that mishap, I landed at BW in time for the drivers meeting. NCRC seems to be more organized than SV in some aspects. After the meeting it was off to finding my pads from Emilio at 949racing. A little unpacking, and a quick install of the pads with new front rotors, it was off to the track to bed them in on my first session.

Session 1:
Just as I entered the track off of sunset, my two autox buddies (Cliff and Eric) were right there, perfect timing to do some battle :). Due to medium braking power to properly bed in the new pads, I was quite amazed at the bite of the CT XP10s. For the first session Cliff, Eric and I were running through traffic, so no real battle, but Cliff did wave me by a few times. Gave him a nice rev limiter bump after passing him at Mazda Star :). End of session of the first session.

Session 2:
Pads were bedded in, got a good picture of the track, now is the time to lay it down. With Rob in the shotgun seat, camera on, and data system activated, we were ready. Overall this session was good, until Rob pointed out some areas of my driving style, and some incorrect lines. First spin of my track day career occurred on this session, right off of sunset, trail braking way to late, the car's rear end stepped out, and I gave in and settled for the gravel to play it safe. This session also pointed out the key skill to remember for all types of racers: "look ahead". Especially on Mazda Star, and Button hook, as those corners are hard to see until the curbing come into your sights. CCW #1 is a true challenge, as the corners just aren't easy to see.

Session 3:
No excuses on this one. I did my best to absorb all of the helpful hints to what Rob told me, as well as what I had seen when riding along with RonB, and just went for it. Traffic was horrible at the first few laps. Goes back to the cooperation of the entire group, and point-by's. To all those who want to start track days, learn the point-by rule. RonB is a great example of how it should work. In particular, we had this group of Evo's (all grey and silver), just riding a train. After at least 2 laps of the train ride, the Evo finally got flagged, finally! Down the straight we went, and off we were. Cliff was ahead of me, and Eric was behind me. Cliff left us in the dust, and I think Eric got caught in the traffic after the point-by at Sunset. After that I began making my adjustments. Attempting for flat out through the Esses, and hitting the last curb sure is scarier than CW #13. You are really flying down to Mazda Star. Tricky corner, as I tried Ron's braking points here. Off to Magic Mountain (aka Lost Hill). Staying focused like Rob recommended, I stayed in line, and began my new braking at the curb on the right side, down shift to 3rd, and off the hill we go. Staying focused, and riding high on Riverside was scary, but not as scary as riding shotgun with RonB, and top down. Flying through there until bus stop, and actually staying in 4th, and hitting the curb helped, and felt better than it did on my 1st session. Forth all the way to Cotton corners, and then using the new braking point and line from RonB, downshift to 3rd, and start late apexing those cotton corners. Further down, we get to the button hook. I could never get this corner correctly. I always either braked too early, or apexed too early as well, but salvaged the corner by looking ahead for the exit speed. Exit out, and head down to the next right. Another corner I had problems with. Wait, wait, and wait, then turn in. Hit the curbing to use all the space, then finish the lap.

After the checkered flag, exhaustion kicked in. I just came into the garage and just hit the floor. I don't know what it was, but I had a huge head ache for the rest of the day. So that was the end of my day. Thanks to Cliff for the drink and food. Wish I could have survived, as I was planning to get everyone together for some dinner, until next time. Lets begin planning for another Fresno SCCA track "Gathering" :D.

My apologizes goes to Rob on the Data, and spin mess.

[rob.ok]

Great write up Kurt!!!


That configuration is actually very difficult & technical. There is no doubt that running CW is a piece of cake in comparison. CCW make it a whole other beast.

Good job out there guys!

[2159ClassicRed]

Photos Here!!! (http://vanhap.com/imgs/2009/June/06-06-BW-NCRC/index.html)

[Eight86six]

It seemed more technical than cw config, getting the line right on the 2 hills was the most challenging for me. The guy conducting the drivers meeting was talking about all the spin outs from the group on the 6th....good times:)

I had an instructor for 2 sessions(65 year old dude w/Z06) f*****g excellent driver, killing everything in the open group... almost hurled in his car:) I am a sh***y passenger...

[rhdxsi]

Thanks for the note in garage #1. Very very fun course. Looking forward to another one. Thanks for the help on the seat eight86six.

[JFine]

I was wondering if you guys saw that note or if the garage got cleaned in between occupants.

[black_em2]

dang I didnt realize it was so close it passed! I wanted to go down and spectate!

[JFine]

Hey Guys,

Everyone could you please send me the information about you car when you ran:
Brake Pads:?
Brake Fluid:?
Tire Size(s):?
Tire Model(s):?
and any other mods you want me to list for reference on the DVD.
Thanks,
Planning to have this done by the meeting or event.

[dbratten]

Hey Guys,

Everyone could you please send me the information about you car when you ran:
Brake Pads:?
Brake Fluid:?
Tire Size(s):?
Tire Model(s):?
and any other mods you want me to list for reference on the DVD.
Thanks,
Planning to have this done by the meeting or event.
Cool idea, Josh.

Brake Pads: OEM C5Z06 F & OEM base model R
Brake Fluid: Motul Dot 5.1
Tire Size(s): 305x30x18 F & 335x35x17 R
Tire Model(s): Kumho 710
Wheels: C6 Z06 Reproduction, 18x10.5 F & 17x9.5 +2" R
Other Mods: Pfadt Coil-Overs, Street Swaybars, and Camber Adjustment Kit; Vararam CAI.

--Dan

[cap49]

Hey Guys,

Everyone could you please send me the information about you car when you ran:
Brake Pads:?
Brake Fluid:?
Tire Size(s):?
Tire Model(s):?
and any other mods you want me to list for reference on the DVD.
Thanks,
Planning to have this done by the meeting or event.

Been away for two wonderful weeks so I'm late to the forum party.
Brake Pads.........Wilwood full race
Brack fluid..........Motul ( it is the best )
Tire size.............215x40x17
Tire Model..........Dunlop Z-1 Star Spec
Koni Yellows, H-Sport springs and 22mm rear sway,Wilwood 4 piston w/12.2 in. rotors front,engine mods = 183 dyno HP

[JFine]

I will start Rendering the final version tomorrow night of the DVD I made with each in car video. The DVD is about 1.5hrs long. It takes about 9 hrs to render, but only 15 mins to burn each DVD. I will make 1 copy for each of you that ran at Buttonwillow, so contact me on when you would like to pickup your copy otherwise I will bring them to the events until you each get yours.

[2159ClassicRed]

Mark those calenders for the next event boys and girls:

August 29 and 30 @ T-hill

[rob.ok]

Who is hosting the event? CCW (normal direction)? Cyclone or Bypass?3

I think I actually might be able to make this one. I'm super stoked to go back to T-hill.

[2159ClassicRed]

It was posted on BAs2ki section. Re-checked: CCW Cyclone config :D

[rob.ok]

Cool. I don't like the cyclone as much, just slows you down too much through a fun part of the track. Either way though I think I'm game for both days.

I just got to do a little math and make sure some things go through. Got a big project on my hands still.

[dbratten]

Mark those calenders for the next event boys and girls:

August 29 and 30 @ T-hill

The schedule shows that Fresno SCCA is having an event on the 30th. But, it's been wrong before. It's most likely missing a site, an event chair, and a safety steward, so ... only time will tell. :rolleyes:

--Dan

[JFine]

Hey Dan,

Our schedule is correct and we have a conflicting date with this track day.
I think you and Corky have volunteered to take this event. Right? or Left? :D I mean Right or Wrong.:D

[dbratten]

Hey Dan,

Our schedule is correct and we have a conflicting date with this track day.
I think you and Corky have volunteered to take this event. Right? or Left? :D I mean Right or Wrong.:D

Do we have a site?

--Dan

[JFine]

All single day events are at Castle.
All 2-day events are at Fresno except the November 2 day it is back at Castle.

FYI: All DVDs for the drivers that attended Buttonwillow June 6th are burned and in their cases and ready for pick up. If you are not in a rush I will have them at the July events, July meeting, and the August events. If you are in a rush PM me and I can see if I can work something out earlier.

[rob.ok]

It was posted on BAs2ki section. Re-checked: CCW Cyclone config :D


I was just thinking about it...definitly want ro run the cyclone. I know i wont be able to resist jumping the bypass. I can not afford to break the car again :D

[JFine]

Hey clew us rookies in on the bypass jump?

[rob.ok]

The bypass, bypasses the small but really steep hill called the cyclone (its a mini corkscrew sort of). Anyways, the bypass send you around the cyclone and you catch the very edge of hill. It still has a pretty steep crest that makes the car light. The problem is where the bypass ties back into the cyclone. The track drops away and there is a big dip from where all the cars land. You always land really hard on the front tires (especially the drives tire since the track is slightly higher there). The race line that they teach you is to stay pretty wide (to the left) and crest the hill before you begin turning into the corner. The faster line is to rotate the car on top of the hill and move over to the right. Since you can go over it so much faster that way and the way the track drop away right there, you will get air. Its like a roller coaster. Its definitely tons of fun. Running CW and using the same line will seriously yill get you more air and its a lot easier on the car since you land on all 4 wheels at the same time.

I love it so much :) but I'll never, never do it again...

The problem is that the car lands so hard that people have broken their suspension, bent control arms, & one guy I know of that broke his chassis! Its been confirmed :eek:

If you watch Jacks video, you can see the by pass right around the 40 second mark. Its hard to tell, but he is definitely in the air. On the second lap he does the cyclone so you can compare the 2 lines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLr6ValhuTg

Here is a pic from running CW which doesn't really hurt the car (not my car).
http://www.lpiracing.com/pc/catalog/flying_honda_288.jpg

[dbratten]

All single day events are at Castle.
All 2-day events are at Fresno except the November 2 day it is back at Castle.


Then I will chair the event on the 30th. I believe Corky wanted to join me but if not I'll do it -- with a little help from my friends.

May I suggest that the schedule page reflect those sites and that we also get our dates posted on the SFR calender in an effort to increase attendance.

--Dan

[SmokeyBear]

FYI: All DVDs for the drivers that attended Buttonwillow June 6th are burned and in their cases and ready for pick up. If you are not in a rush I will have them at the July events, July meeting, and the August events. If you are in a rush PM me and I can see if I can work something out earlier.Just picked up my copy yesterday.
Man, what a hoot! Really a superb video, Josh. Fantastic! Amazing! Remarkable!
You guys ought to get yours ASAP! Obviously, I/m very pleased. Great choices in music, too.:D

[JFine]

Glad you like it Ron. :cool:
I did the best I could with what I had. I learned a TON on camera placement. Maybe I might try again at this T-Hill event with the cameras. ;)
Got to get my car back together first.:D

[2159ClassicRed]

Can't wait for mines! Good to see the interest in T-hill Josh, just slap in the reliable KA back in there :D.................

[JFine]

Kurt,
You going to pick yours up at the drift event, or are you wanting it earlier?